Monday, November 29, 2010

Re: Writing Groups

I'm taking umbrage with accepted writer wisdom again. Consider yourselves warned.

All writers need support. It's a lonely occupation. We're prone to despair or insanity or excessive chocolate if we're left alone too long. And feedback is important. We can't catch every error on our own, especially not the big ones like flat characters, plot holes, and pacing. We're too close to our work to stand back far enough to see them, a lot of the time. Also, it's good to have our egos stroked once in a while. But:

Not all writers need a writing group.


There, I said it. Writing groups work for a lot of people and I can see the good in them—feedback, support, deadlines, improvement, different points of view, getting out of the house—but I don't think every writer is suited to the writing group format. Some of us get our support and feedback in other ways.

For instance: Twitter, Facebook, blogs, forums, and other kinds of social networking; friends and family who are willing to listen to rambles frequently and at length; and beta readers, who'll read the "finished" manuscript but won't necessarily (and probably shouldn't) see the rougher drafts. There may be more ways than that, but those are the ones I use personally.

Why would a writer choose alternatives to an actual, physical writing group? They might be shy and not cope very well with a room full of semi-strangers (or worse). They might be introverts and get exhausted by long discussions. They might not have access to enough local writers interested in a group. They might have had a bad experience with writing groups in the past. They might know that they're not tough enough yet for the kind of harsh criticism they might receive. They might start with the alternatives, find they like them, and question why they'd need a real-life group on top of that. They might not have time, or might have scheduling conflicts. They might not write short stories, which writing groups are generally best for.

As you might have guessed, I count myself in the category of People Who Don't Need Writing Groups, but I haven't tried them either. I'm an introvert who doesn't cope well with groups of strangers, especially when introductions are needed. I still cry over harsh criticism sometimes, and refuse to embarrass myself by doing so in the middle of a group of strangers. I have scheduling conflicts revolving around my dayjob, which I'm not going to change because money's surprisingly useful. I'm not an organizer, so I won't be creating a group on my own. And I've got people in real life and people on the internet who are willing to beta for me. These are also reasons why I don't want to do workshops or classes. My brain and my life just don't work that way. I work better alone, and I frequently work slowly.

I know what die-hard writing group advocates will probably say. "So what? Do it anyway. There must be a bit of time in your life. Grow a pair. You're a noob." And I say to them, "Stop trying to force everyone to fit one pattern. If lacking a writing group is a mistake, let us learn that ourselves or suffer the consequences."

What do you think about writing groups? On a scale of 1 (high) to 10 (low), how important are they do the development of a writer?

6 comments:

Cori said...

Me? I've done this both ways.

Firstly, I got into writing refusing to go to actual writing groups. My confidence in my writing and my ability to cope with other people were too low for me to even begin to contemplate doing it. I got into writing online, doing things without any sort of person-to-person interaction. This was a great way to get into writing, especially since I rather quickly developed a group of people that were willing to read what I wrote and I seriously loved doing it. It worked well while I did it.

Then, I tried a writing group.

The two are completely different. Online blogs and such are great, but there's something about being around people that understand you and hearing their troubles and learning from them. There is just something about face-to-face interaction that is so special and adds so much to what you're doing. It adds in a human element.

So, coming from an introverted, shy, VERY horrible at speaking in front of people (much less reading what I write), who takes criticism very hard... I politely disagree with you. :) I used to completely agree with your train of logic - I thought I'd get nothing out of a writing group, that'd I try it and never want to go back, but now it's kind of the highlight of my month. There's something about it that's just... fun. I love to write and everyone that shows up loves to write.

Perhaps writing groups aren't for /everyone/, there's too much variety in the world for absolutes, but I still think you should give it a try some time. Perhaps you'd be surprised. :)

Scale? I'd give it a 4 for me... it doesn't really 'help develop' as much as motivate and give me a place to hear that other people - people who aren't just pixels on a computer screen - are suffering the same ways I am.

But overall? I'd say about a 7. I feel they're rather good things.

Can you succeed without one? Definitely. Can you thrive without one? Positively. Is a 'mistake' to not have one? Absolutely not. Do I think that you can gain things from a writing group you CAN'T get online? 100% yes.

-Cori

Anassa said...

You have points, Cori. What would you say to someone having real-life writer friends to talk to, but not a formal group with meetings and a structure?

And all this being said, I ran across a writing group yesterday that seems more my style than what I've seen before, and I may well go to the next meeting… Um. Heh?

Cori said...

Oh, I'd say they're near and dear to the same thing. I'd love to just have a group of writers to sit down and chat with. That's basically what my group is anyways. :) There are so many that read and critique and you have to do this and that... this one is really laid back. It's just a group of people that meet and chat once a month, very little structure. It's perfect for me.

I hope you try it. Can't hurt...

Well, maybe it could. Never know. You could bang your shin on some unsuspecting chair while you're there and it /would/ hurt.

But that's beside the point. ;)

-Cori

Anassa said...

That's the kind of group I'd go for, and the kind of group I'm hoping this one is. I get something like that with one friend, who's great for bouncing ideas off, but a whole group … if it works out, it'd be wonderful!

Provided my work schedule doesn't conflict, anyway. :(

Cori said...

Yeah, darned work schedules. ^^; I'm lucky to have found a M-F job with a group that meets on weekends. But things still mess with my ability to go.

Couldn't go in November due to a massive snowstorm, for example...

I hope you find one. :)

-Cori

Jeremiah said...

Just reading this now. Excellent post.

All of my feedback comes at me from online, whether its people responding to wordcount posts on Facebook and Twitter, or critiques on snippets that I post. I've also heard it said (by James Scott Bell) that writing groups can have a tendency to foster "writing rules" that have no basis in the marketplace.

I have one good friend with whom I constantly swap work, and two or three others that I keep in a casual loop, but I don't know that I could meet with a group of people on a regular basis. With a 50 hour work week, a young daughter, a house to keep up, and a youth group to manage, I simply don't have time in my schedule for another activity.

Thanks for the encouragement.